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what's seattle's favorite noise? the puget sound! ♪ foghorn sounds loudly ♪ all right, never mind doesn't matter. this is a classic. what does an alien seamstress sew with? a space needle! ♪ foghorn sounds loudly continuously ♪ oh come off it captain! geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. thanks for disrupting your afternoon. i'm karen finney. the gop has lost their minds, again. now they are focusing on fake scandals instead of increasing the minimum wage. and donald sterling speaks. >> let me start with the good news. >> it's been a great day for the president of the united states. >> the jobs numbers are in and they are really good. >> the obama economy, it's booming. >> there's plenty more that
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congress should be doing from raising the minimum wage to creating good construction jobs and rebuilding america. >> what was the republican reply? to rain on the parade. >> benghazi. >> benghazi. >> diversion. benghazi. >> the people in the white house have lied about this. >> benghazi, benghazi, benghazi. >> the details about benghazi. >> they don't want to talk about jobs, growth, immigration reform, voting rights, you name it. >> they won't raise wages for millions of working families. >> i don't think there should be a national minimum wage. >> studies show if you raise it, you get more unemployment. >> it's not the government's business to be raising the minimum wage. >> it makes no sense. >> we're now just hours away from one of the biggest nights in washington.
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the white house correspondents' dinner. it's a chance for the president to sit back and have a few laughs. sometimes at the expense of the journalist who cover him daily and sometimes with those journalists. it's been a good week for the president. the economy added 288,000 new jobs last month, exceeding expectations. and driving the unemployment rate down to 6.3%, the lowest since 2008. more than 8 million people have enrolled in the affordable care act so far. the president's approval rating is also starting to rebound. according to our latest nbc news poll, he's back where he was before the rocky health care rollout. but with polls showing voters are split on which party they want to control congress, republicans have launched a new coordinated effort to slow the momentum. actually, it's not so new at all. house speaker john boehner announced he's launching a special select committee on benghazi. and of course, you can't have a witch hunt without darrell issa.
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all this on the same day a special prosecutor was called to o investigate the fake irs controversy. let's bring in our panel. joe madison, ryan grimm and maria kumar. both are msnbc contributors. joe, i'm going to start with you. we're going to get into some of the good news. it's a tough room for the president. every year it's kind of tough to walk into that room. you're expected to be funny, give a little bit o of a serious talk and president obama usually delivers the goods. >> i don't think it's tough for him. the ones that i have attended, and when i don't get a chance to attend, i'm watch iing it on tv. but here's what's so interesting. i have been saying all week, it's not so much what's going to happen in the room that i'm interested in. it's what is he going to do when he gets back to the white house.
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the last time he caught bin laden and no one had any idea what was going on. he was so cool with it. i think it was the same year he roasts donald trump right there. and who would have thought that back at the white house in the situation room, we're getting ready to watch one of the most important events unfold, quite honestly, in this century. >> luckily, the president has a good sense of humor. but luckily, he also has good numbers. some of the polling numbers, seeing the president kind of come back to where he was before the health care rollout, i would say that's a positive. >> sure, although for a lot of people, they are still struggling in this economy. you saw hundreds of thousands of more people drop out of the labor market. there's some indication that some of these people dropped out because unemployment benefits were not renewed. the unemployment benefits gave them a sense of hope and allowed them to keep trying to look for
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jobs 200,000 went from unemployment to out of the labor market. some of those people just said, i guess i'm going to take early social security or i'm going to hang on until 62 when i can get early social security. so in a lot of ways, it's not good news. the economy is still awful for a lot of people. but it's certainly moving in a better direction than it was. and all the pressure on the minimum wage can only help people. seattle pushing towards $15 an hour is historic. >> you have hawaii that just basically moved on their own and saying we're going to pass minimum wage. by the way, i love your tux. >> to that point, it was sort of interesting as ryan points out, people are still struggling. the president has been pushing on the minimum wage. but guess what, we get to talk about benghazi again. that's where the republican priorities are.
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>> it's all smoke and mirrors. they don't have, unfortunately, any policies to actually address the minimum wage. they don't have policies to substitute for the health care reform they want to repeal. they don't have anything. so what do they do? they go for the smoking gun. that buys them time and buys them time to say, we're going to galvanize and gin up the base. we need the extreme tea party to come out and the democrats and the progressives, you guys don't come out. so keep talking. that's one of the reasons why this minimum wage debate is so important because it goes across party lines. we want a livable wage so we can put food on our table and we're not living paycheck by paycheck. >> so john boehner is expected to put tray gouty in charge of the collect committee. i will remind you of a few choice words. i have evidence there was a systemic, intentional decision to withhold documents from
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congress. he also suggested that the obama campaign could have manipulating the irs. he also suggested that president obama tricked women into supporting him with contraceptive mandate. that's who they are going to put in charge of this benghazi inquiry. >> wait a minute. i'm sitting here with two intelligent women and when you use trick and women in the same sentence. >> you know he knows better than that. >> you don't talk like that in the 21st century. >> he leapt for mitt romney. >> my goodness. president obama is smooth, but he's not that smooth that he can trick an entire gender that's there. the other thing to keep in mind and people should keep in mind, every issue you have talked about has been investigated by either an inspector general, a congressional committee and they
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have come up with absolutely nothing. i mean, to hear people argue that, well, i was on an msnbc show and i got an immediate e-mail saying you don't think that it's a scandal for the white house to brief people before they go on a sunday talk show? and i'm sitting there saying, what part of the interview didn't you hear? of course, i don't think it's a scandal. the reality is bush, reagan, all administrations, of course, you brief people. so there's nothing there and they know it, and you're absolutely right, this is to gin up the base. i also think they are priming the pump for impeachment, hoping, hoping that the two chambers will go republican and then i guarantee you that
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probably by december you'll see articles of impeachment and it will tie up this president for the last two years of his administration. >> so ryan, since democrats are hoping that doesn't happen, i want to talk about some of the other things in "the wall street journal" poll. you saw registered voters are equally split between who should control congress, 45, 45. that seems to benefit republicans because technically in those midterm elections their base turns out. if democrats are even right now, that's not a good place to be. >> we have always been a place that has two elector rats. it's increasingly becoming that way because of the way that all of the districts were engineer
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ma gerrymandering. they have their ducks in a row. they have their i.d. there, they have their address out, their utility bill. they are looking sharp. >> they are older voters too. >> they are there at 6:00 a.m. and for the democratic voters, they are pushing hard on the minimum wage hoping that gets the democratic base out. you heard the news that the senate republicans blocked this minimum wage vote. so we think maybe i should go in and elect a democrat to try to make this go forward. but democrats currently control the senate and there's a democrat in the white house. so the cook could easily u be thinking if it's not happening now, if i reelect mary landrieu, or whoever, why is it going to happen? frankly, if the house is still under the control of the tea party, it won't. so they actually have a case to be made for staying home. >> throw a little benghazi in
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there and you never know what you're going to get. the other thing we have seen with the president, he met yesterday, a lot of criticism about ukraine. what's so interesting in the poll is americans are kind of pulling back from wanting to engage in these kinds of things. and yet republicans are attacking him for not being more engaged in what's going on in ukraine. >> it's smoke and mirrors. if you asked to find ukraine on the map, i would be hard pressed to find it. majority of members of congress don't have passports. that's a precursor to one of the reasons we have had such a terrible foreign policy to begin with. it just basically provides them the opportunities to not to talk about the problems at home. when they have the opportunity to engage, when president obama has engaged, libya being an example, they went after him saying why did you do that? it's not a matter of whether they care, it's a matter of they are like the no president. i have a toddler.
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right now she's in her no stage. she says no to be in the opposition. that's where the republican party is. >> it's a fair comparison to compare republicans to toddlers. >> i was just going to say let's go back where we started and that was the economy. you said there are some people doing well, but there are a lot of people who are concerned. so when you have a population that's concerned about employment, the last thing they are worried about is ukraine. the last thing they are worried about is foreign policy. they are more concerned about my home, my employment opportunity. that's why you see this mixed attitude because a lot of people are concerned about their future and their employment opportunities here at home. >> hopefully as they watch the republican scandal machine crank its way through the spring between the ir, and trying to get john kerry, i hope they will end up realizing who should be
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in charge. >> i think the chairman issa, i think kerry is going to clean his clock. >> absolutely. >> i think kerry is going to clean his clock. >> that might be fun to watch. we have to leave it there. the panel will stick with me. coming up, while the fight for minimum wage is being fought coast to coast, conservatives vote to give tax breaks to big corporations. that's next. [ laughter ] smoke? nah, i'm good. [ male announcer ] celebrate every win with nicoderm cq, the unique patch with time release smartcontrol technology that helps prevent the urge to smoke all day long. help prevent your cravings with nicoderm cq. that helps prevent the urge to smoke all day long. thcar loan didn't start here. it began way, way back. before he had children. before he got married.
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♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ the gop proved once again this week it is in no hurry to shed its image as the party of the rich.
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just 24 hours after voting to extend billions of dollars in tax breaks for corporations, republicans in congress blocked democrats efforts to raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 to $10.10 an hour. while the budget office did note that an increase could result in job losses, many economists suggest that would be minimal. while also estimating that 900,000 people would be lifted out of poverty. this comes on the heels of recent reports showing while profit soars at companies like walmart, some workers make so little they rely on food stamps and they are subsidized by you and i, the american taxpayer. he's what republicans had to say this week. >> the benefit is small, the cost of lost jobs is great, it goes against the free market principl principles.
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>> madame president, even if it passed, that is not the obama minimum wage. rather the real obama minimum wage is zero dollars and zero cents an hour. >> these are the jobs where the workers learn to be dependable and how to work with other employees, work ethic. a lot of them don't know how to make change. they don't know how to greet a customer. >> oh, boy. in other words the working poor don't deserve a living wage because living paycheck to paycheck is some sort of right of passage. why don't you tell that to the millions of american children who represent two-thirds. they don't need a life lesson. they need a way out of poverty. it's just as important now as it was in 1938 when the minimum wage was established to improve conditions of american workers. "our nation should be able to devise ways and means of
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insuring all our able-bodied working men and women for a fair day's pay for a fair day's work." my panel is back with us and joining us a steve moore. i want to start with you and talk about the minimum wage. we have 28 million americans now make minimum wage. as we know in a lot of places, people working full-time making minimum wage still not able to it make ends meet. why not raise the minimum wage? >> this has been a pretty bad economy for the last five or six years. no question about it. we saw this it in the jobs report that wages aren't just rising. one general observation i think all this talk about the minimum wage is a little off topic. only about 4 or 5% of workers in the american economy make the minimum wage. most make a lot more. the average wage in america is about $23 an hour. i think the real problem with america right now is that not
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the minimum wage isn't rising, but the median wage hasn't risen. we're not creating the good-paying jobs we need to so families can survive. i think our real risk when we have very high unemployment as we do today, it's about 10%, not 6.3%. i don't think now is a good time because you'll price some people out of the market. most of these jobs are starter jobs. two-thirds people get an increase in their salary. >> that's actually not true. i want to clarify. i did not say it was a bad economy. i actually said that we have seen an increase in job creation, 50 months now of private sector job growth. the unemployment rate has gone down to 6.3%. so that would suggest to me
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we're moving in the right direction, not as fast as we should. why not help give people a lift? >> i think you'd have a hard time teming the american people that this is a good jobs market. it's a pretty lousy one. >> i said it was getting better. >> we had a good report yesterday, no question about it. the problem is so many americans are dropping out of the workforce that if you look at the real unemployment rate, the unemployment rate is closer to 10%. it's a tough job market and we haven't seen wage growth. i would say this. at least if we're going to raise the minimum wage everyone should agree we should have a starter wage or a teen wage so we're not pricing young people out of the job market. i have two teenagers. i love them to death, i love my kids more than anything in the world. nobody is going to pay $10 an hour for kids. they need the first job. you'll price a lot of young people out of the job market.
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seattle they want to raise the minimum raise to $15 an hour. >> the mayor sat down with businesses to make it work for the community. ryan, to this point that steve is making, when we talk about, yes, there has not been wage growth. that's part of the problem. we're seeing record profits not making its way, trickling down to the workers at the bottom. >> he spent his career trying to destroy unions, which are what drove up wages throughout the 20th century and cutting taxes to the wealth flies to the top 1% and the top .1%. steven wants to have it both ways. he wants to say, look, we really shouldn't do this because it would be damaging and cost a lot of jobs. and on the other hand, nobody actually makes the minimum wage. both of those things can't be true. this 2% or whatever he says actually make the minimum wage, a huge number make a nickel or dime above that.
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so this would be a dramatic difference to people. >> even with 5 million people out of poverty. >> just so that it's a stark contrast. take the baking industry where you have the guys on wall street making money. the ceo of the goldman sachs of the world and tellers are on food stamps. it's not just by industry. it's not just the fast food industry or your first job. for some folks, this first job lasts 30 years. let's actually give them the minimum wage so it's not a living wage, but something you can make sure they are enjoying. let's take an example. when the cbo said if we were to raise the minimum wage, they would lose about a million jobs. >> that was an estimate. >> but the people they were talking about were people that chose to e retire on time. so you're giving a lot of
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workers the opportunity not to retire at 72, but at 62. and that says a lot about what our standards are and what our priorities are as a society. >> i think people ought to start living in the real world. i don't even understand this debate. just the other day i take my grandson into a place where he loves to get hamburgers and the guy is so nice. don't give me this argument they don't know how to operate a cash register. if they don't, teach them in high school. >> somehow i think they do know how to do it. >> the customer may not how to do it, but the reality is that young man that works there, and then i went into radio shack. there's that same young man who are by the way worked full-time at the hamburger joint and full-time at radio shack because he makes less than this $10.10 minimum wage and has to hold
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down two jobs. you take companies like costco that pay above minimum wage, those folks want to hold on to those jobs. that's what the secretary of labor told me over the past week. people who get the increased wages, they hold on to those jobs and you get a quality employer. >> you all sound like you're in favor of the minimum wage. >> that's fair to say. >> what do you say to the people -- we know somewhere around 1 million people will lose their jobs. that's that's a huge jump. >> hold on. >> if you're going to cite the cbo study, you have to cite both sides of it. >> i did in my inro. >> some people will lose their jobs. my question to you all is what do you say to the 500,000 who will lose their job? their wage goes to zero. how is that an anti-poverty program? >> there were a number of
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studies that gold mman sachs th i cited. the 500,000 is an estimate. >> but you're krietding what you like about the study. >> i'm saying both. i'm not not saying both. >> which all economists say there will be job loss. we don't e know what it's going to be. >> so you can't say it's definitely going to be a million jobs. >> the people that are the least educated, the people at the bottom, i'm not sure how that solves the problem of income unequali unequality. >> steven, it's false to say that the cbo said it would cost 500,000 to a million jobs. that's not what it said. it said in the future it estimated the jobs would not be created in the future. nobody would lose their job. not a single person. meanwhile, millions more people would get hundreds more dollars a week in their paychecks.
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what would you say to those people -- >> and that puts more money into the economy and into people's pockets. we have to leave there t there. on some level, i think this is a silly argument because historically going all the way back to 1938 republicans, this is the same argument we have heard over and over again. guess what, the pressure is on republic republicans -- my point is that traditionally we're going to have this fight, but republicans always cave on this issue because they know they have to. thank you, we'll be back. still ahead, it's back. the latest episode of obama derangement syndrome. this time republican ace void action on immigration reform in the name of trust. nobody told us to expect it... intercourse that's painful due to menopausal changes. the problem isn't likely to go away... ...on its own. so it's time we do something about it.
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it's more than just a meal, it's meow mix mealtime. with wholesome ingredients and irresistible taste, it's the only one cats ask for by name. this week we had another outbreak of obama derangement syndrome and not just with the benghazi attack. this flare up has been brought on by immigration reform. it hit the speakers office hard. just a week after john boehner mocked members for avoiding immigration reform because it's too hard, the backlash quickly brought on ods with boehner shifting the blame to the president. why not? well, that old right ring refrain of we can't trust him. take a listen. >> we don't trust the president to enforce the law. >> i think the president is going to have to demonstrate to
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the american people and to my colleagues that he can be trusted to enforce the law as it is written. >> it's going to be very difficult to do anything comprehensive in washington. people don't like to hear this, but it's true given the lack of trust in this president. >> there is doubt cast on this white house, this president, this administration's willingness to implement the laws. >> so here's a problem with this. the facts. under the obama presidency deportation of immigrants for criminal convictions have increased by 87% and border patrol staffing have seen its high highest number. the symptom of the syndrome is being blinded by the facts. my panel is back with me. i want to start with you joe. this is really john boehner's fault. his failure we're not getting immigration reform done. >> it's a leadership issue, you're absolutely right.
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he knows he can't control a certain element in his party that does not want the immigration reform. it's mot the entire party. most republicans now know that this is an issue that impacts a very large, growing, politically strong demographic, but there's still that element. he can't control them so he shifts the blame. the facts you just gave is so interesting. someone said the other day that what the right wing does is that one of their top ten commandments in political warfare is never accept the premise of your opponent. even if the facts that you just gave are correct. you can't win an argument that way. >> and again, citing some of the number when is we look at border patrol, the budget and the number of agents and the number
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of deportations, i don't know what they think they can't trust them on. >> and in this case, it's shame on them. because you're saying you can't trust a president who has had historic deportation under his watch and that's affecting real families. those families can tell you he's been following the letter of the law. what they are trying to push him to do is to do more executive or orders so very similar to the dream act that allow deferred action for minor children that came here with no fault of their own. he said you can come out of the shadows and start working. that's what they want him to do. they want him to provide other relief for other undocumented individuals. but by doing that, cay can say gotcha. but at the same time, there has to be relief for 11 million people saying we're abiding by the law, granted we broke a major one, but we want to come out of the shadows and actually make sure.
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talk about one way to cure the might be mum wage is to make sure they can compete fairly in the marketplace. >> jeb bush said it was an act of love. >> so to fairness o to him, he said, look, this is a very personal family issue. you guys are trying to make it political. but this is one that's going to cost the republican party for years to come if they don't figure it out. and boehner knows that. he can leave tomorrow and provide himself with true leadership on two issues. one is passing the voting rights act. and number two, passing immigration. that way the republicans can pull back and say, we do want to be a broader tent. we're going to provide immigration reform. >> it's interesting that you had this week, as we have read apparently, his caucus jumped on him for those comments. they were not happy. he lets them have the benghazi thing and the irs thing, which
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was a -- crazy committees if you'll give me a break on immigration. >> and the problem is the two party system is going through a transition right now. and it's broken at the moment because the tea party is not a majority. it's a very strong minority. certainly give it its due, but that's what it is, it's a strong minority. yet it controls through its minority the entire house majority, which then controls the entire house. if these were all anonymous votes, you would have 250 -- maybe 260 votes for immigration reform for a lot of these issues and it would be a coalition of democrats and more moderate republicans. that has to shake out at some point because we can't continue with this brokenness. >> the civil rights bill, just what you described historically, people need to understand that. that's how the civil rights bill got passed. . and the reality is it's what jim
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clyburn says. it's about math. they are not the majority, but the math is such that they hold that balance of power that keeps these laws from being passed. in the meantime, it's the most unproductive congress since, what, ever? >> ever! >> it's ever. it's interesting too because, and we'll have to leave it here, but you have them saying he's releasing criminals. criminal immigrants on the streets. they are trying to have it both ways. we can't trust him and he's releasing criminals, but we're not going to do anything about it. >> unfntly, that plays into the deep stereotypes that it's not going to win them any favors in the long-term. unfortunately, some say there's going to be movement during the summer after the primaries. i hope so. we're talking about millions of families being torn apart.
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>> what about the criminals who are human resource people or heads of corporations that know that they do hire undocumented people and then they go in and frog march a group of people out into jail. >> regardless of what happens, it's going to be obama's fault. that's my prediction. my panel sticks with me. still ahead, donald sterling speaks out. more on the man at the center of the scandal rocking the nba. [ female announcer ] who are we? we are the thinkers. the job jugglers. the up all-nighters. and the ones who turn ideas into action. we've made our passions our life's work. we strive for the moments where we can say, "i did it!" ♪ we are entrepreneurs who started it all... with a signature. legalzoom has helped start over 1 million businesses, turning dreamers into business owners. and we're here to help start yours.
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through his actions he's shown that he's not a racist. through his actions he's shown to be a very generous and kind man. if he was a real racist, then why would he help the world the way that he has? >> v. stiviano's donald sterling's personal assistant at the center of the media fire storm that's erupted around the l.a. clippers owner breaks her silence to barbara walters. he's not a racist, she says, despite the recordings not to
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bring black people to his cl clippers games. he broke his silence friday and when given the chance to apologize for those deplorable comments, he had one thing to say. i wish i had just paid her off. sterling spoke out to a magazine after a week of silence during which he was banned from all league activities by the nba commissioner and fellow nba team owners voted to move forward with forcing him to sell the l.a. clippers. but the one question we have yet to hear answered is why something wasn't done about sterling years ago. sterling was never sanctioned by the nba even though there were repeated claims of racial bias on his record. perhaps most alarming is the housing discrimination suit brought against sterling who n owns residential rental properties in los angeles. heavy ace accused of refusing to rent to black tenants. sterling denied any wrong doing and settled the suit for $2.7
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million. this and another housing discrimination suit may speak to a larger narrative of racism in this country. my panel is back with me to discuss and we're joined by todd boyd, professor at the school of cinema and television. professor, i'm going to start with you because you have followed donald sterling for a number of years. why is it that it took this for sterling to actually be outed, if you will, or stopped? >> i think there are probably multiple reasons. one sort of straight forward way, donald sterling is known as a very litigious personality and i'm not sure if the nba really wanted to confront what it would mean to take on donald sterling. we'll see how this will play out going forward. but i think at a larger level, it's important to recognize that we live in a society where a
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very high bar has been set in terms of the public agreeing that certain statements, thoughts or acts are racist. and so for a lot of people they probably weren't paying attention. the nba was certainly paying attention. but when you have housing discrimination lawsuits and consistent settlements, when you have the former general manager filing race discrimination and age discrimination lawsuits and losing in court, the allegations still stand. i think we just have a hard time in this society amongst certain people accepting that racism still exists. and if it exists, people will only accept it when it takes place in an extreme fashion, such as the comments heard on the recording from donald sterling last week. >> i actually was heartened by the fact there seemed to be such a broad, swift reaction that
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basically said, there's no place for that. i thought that was a positive. professor, i'm sorry, i was directing to one of my panelists here. >> sure, it was broad and swift, but there's this strange element of our cultural conversation where the most offensive thing you can do is call someone a racist. people wind up apologizing for using the word racism when if you look at the evidence that backed up that charge, it's all there. in this particular case, the track record is long here. >> i wish we would have this same anger and frustration when it comes to actual public policies. if we really want to root out racism and call people out, we actually have to create fundamental shifts. we're talking about the minimum wage, fair education for
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everyone, those will actually change our conversation. that will move us so we can be the color blind society. but basically just going after what he did was terrible, it's systemic what he's done over and over, we actually have to use that energy and say, how do we start changing fundamentally the way review race? >> hold on, guys. joe, to that point, to me the housing discrimination lawsuit is in some ways worse. what he said was horrible, but that is systemic racism, the way he systemically would not rent to african-americans and la t latinos, allegedly, and i will just reiterate that there was no guilt found, but that to me is the much larger issue in terms of someone's record and speaking volumes about whether or not a person is racist.
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>> i think the professor alineated all the reasons accurately. i will add one to it. the recording, it hit television. we heard it. therefore, that's the kind of society we live in today. it's one thing to have a court case where already all kind of records and that type of thing, but the general public didn't hear it all at once. so you had this collective outrage. he did pay dearly, maybe not for a billionaire, but it was the largest hud find that was given. and i had chris weber and dave bing on, two great nba players, but they said something very interesting. we as a whole owe an apology. because he tried to tell us about this and therein lies the
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problem. if anybody knows racism, it's the people who are the victims of racism. but in this day in age, one of the ways to throw that off is to say you are what you're accusing me of being. and that's not the case. his girlfriend, here's a woman that doesn't even understand he was undervaluing, underestimating and marginalizing her right in her face. >> nobody has pointed out how sexist his comments are. he called her stupid, he doesn't care if she sleeps with them. he says, she doesn't understand what he's saying that he needs a girl that will do what i want. that was just as bad in terms of being sexist. >> everybody has the right to choose for who to be with, but
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